texasboar
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Dec 29 2008
Posts: 7
Loc: Oklahoma
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I will try this again for some reason it didnt post last time I am wondering with the 25 Berger if this would be a good for a Mountain Lion at under 200 yards I have seen this cat twice now.
Thank You
Jason
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Hilltop
Bishop
Reged: Feb 06 2004
Posts: 777
Loc: Zaitseving coyotes
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While considered irresponsible by some, a clean lung shot will pile it up according to the KHD; I've shot 100 pound animals with a .17remmy and they go 50 yards or so.
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"Absent from the business of trapping and perplexed by the folly of men in power I returned to the woods, feeling like that of a prisoner escaped from his chains."--Jedediah Smith, Jan.04,1828
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Moon Dog
Administrator / Grand Ayatollah
Reged: Sep 28 2000
Posts: 1600
Loc: Mc Neal, AZ
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While I wouldn't hesitate to shoot one that came in to a coyote call with my .17 I wouldn't shoot one with a 17 by choice.
If you are going hunting for the cat I'd use at least a .22-250 or its equivalent, for a 200 yard shot.
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texasboar
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Dec 29 2008
Posts: 7
Loc: Oklahoma
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Well I just got the Rem 700 SPS varmint and have ordered a HS stock but the last time I saw this guy I was coyote hunting with a H&R Handi 223 and I just didnt feel it was accurate enough to shot at him with it.But this AM I was taking the kids to school and there he was again jumping off these hay bales about 1/2 mile from my home. But I think he came in on my calling last time when I seen him.But I want to get him so I guess we will see if the 17 will do the job
Thank You
Jason 
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SeekingTradDeer
Whirling Dervish
Reged: Aug 31 2008
Posts: 56
Loc: Pennsylvania, USA, 5C
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What is the season for mountain lion?
Please post a picture when you kill the beast.
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rdsii64
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Reged: May 12 2009
Posts: 20
Loc: Riverside CA
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Quote:
While I wouldn't hesitate to shoot one that came in to a coyote call with my .17 I wouldn't shoot one with a 17 by choice.
If you are going hunting for the cat I'd use at least a .22-250 or its equivalent, for a 200 yard shot.
call me chickenshit but if I'm chasing mountian lions, I,m grabing a .25-06 and launch 109 grain projectiles at them
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Moon Dog
Administrator / Grand Ayatollah
Reged: Sep 28 2000
Posts: 1600
Loc: Mc Neal, AZ
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I can say that because I'm aware of two lions that were shot with, and killed by, one shot from a .17 Remington when they came in on a coyote stand.
They really are not hard to kill, just hard to get a shot at, and yeah, a 25-06 would work fine except that you don't want to mess up that beautiful pelt if you can help it.
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Mike Harter
Avenging Angel
Reged: Nov 05 2000
Posts: 2655
Loc: Fresno, CA, USA
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If memory serves Don, the one Victor dumped may have been with a .17 Ackley Hornet. I remember him saying he had only one round on him at the time.
The life force is not strong in those cats, that's for sure.
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"If you need a pistol, you need a REAL pistol. The finest available 9mm serves best as a badge of office." ..... Col. J. Cooper
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rdsii64
Apostle of Humility
Reged: May 12 2009
Posts: 20
Loc: Riverside CA
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Quote:
I can say that because I'm aware of two lions that were shot with, and killed by, one shot from a .17 Remington when they came in on a coyote stand.
They really are not hard to kill, just hard to get a shot at, and yeah, a 25-06 would work fine except that you don't want to mess up that beautiful pelt if you can help it.
I would hate to ruin a pelt for something as hard to hunt as big cats. On the other hand I put mountain lions in the dangerous game category. I would feel a lot safer with a .25-06 than something smaller. That way I know when I squeeze the trigger its bang flop DRT. I have never had the pleasure to level the cross hairs on such a fine animal yet. Here in California they cannot be hunted that I am aware of, so I will have to make a trip out of state for that one.
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Tackdriver
Big Hairy Gun Nut
Reged: Jan 31 2001
Posts: 2394
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
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Ya might also want to check your State Laws.
There might be a bore diameter minimum or a ft-lbs minimum depending on where you hunt them.
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I never saw a wild thing feel sorry for itself.--DH Lawerence
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Okiebones
American Warrior
Reged: Dec 23 2008
Posts: 151
Loc: West Central OK
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Not sure, but I believe in OK lions can only be taken as a depredation measure.
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Hilltop
Bishop
Reged: Feb 06 2004
Posts: 777
Loc: Zaitseving coyotes
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Apparently, lion hunting in Texas is as much a political endeavor as it is anything else, as I was informed by a client who approached me with two juvenile lions to mount. Being a member of some version of a Bighorn Sheep Club, as he stated he was, he wormed his way into a Texas Parks and Wildlife debacle of sorts which produced the two juveniles by way of chopper, along with what he claimed to be dozens of other lions.
Those under employ of the state had first dibs of course and those with the greasy palms were able to make a couple quick trips somewhere around the Big Bend Park area in an effort to exterminate the sheep killers. I guess a big money sheep lover teamed with the State to transport a number of Bighorns into the area and they deemed it necessary to remove as many cats as they could in two days of flying.
Hell, even my potential client felt a little embarrassed as he told the tale of running the cats to exhaustion, then popping them with deer rifles. But, their the professionals and I wasn't there, so who knows what really happened.
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"Absent from the business of trapping and perplexed by the folly of men in power I returned to the woods, feeling like that of a prisoner escaped from his chains."--Jedediah Smith, Jan.04,1828
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ducksoup
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Aug 15 2004
Posts: 16
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA. USA
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While cougers aren't the hardest animal to kill, I would have to say my pucker power might prevent me from trying it with a .17 FireBall! Just on the chance of a miss hit and pissing him off! And than having to track a wounded animal that could kill me and eat me?! 
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Mike Harter
Avenging Angel
Reged: Nov 05 2000
Posts: 2655
Loc: Fresno, CA, USA
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Not only can they NOT be hunted in Kalifornia, the trophy cannot be in your possession. So if you book a completely legal hunt in say, WY or Nevada and manage to bag a lion, plan on leaving it there or selling it to a taxidermist in that state. You can't bring it back legally. Those in possession at the time the ban was passed were "Grandfathered" in. But no more new ones until a lion snatches some senator or congress woman's child while hiking. That may change things, but it's doubtful. 
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"If you need a pistol, you need a REAL pistol. The finest available 9mm serves best as a badge of office." ..... Col. J. Cooper
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John-Henry
King Hell Dictator
Reged: Sep 25 2000
Posts: 4522
Loc: McNeal, AZ
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Yep:
A .17 centerfire will kill them, all right; the one that I called for a client of mine was a funny story in more ways than one, but the 25 gr. Berger Match behind the shoulder piled her up inside of 100 yards.
Among other things the Johnny Stewart 512 was misbehaving, so when I finally got it to make noise I had it out of the case and partially disassembled so that I could get at the tape heads, and as a result I had about five feet of mechanism and wire and whatnot strewn around the base of a mesquite tree.
When I saw the lion coming though the brush I hand-signaled Micky, who thankfully wasn't too far away, and when she came to me I gathered her in and put one hand over her eyes and the other hand over her nose, because if she'd have seen that cat she'd have tried her best to catch it, and there wasn't anything out there taller than about eight or ten feet except a couple of windmills, so it would have ended up ground-bayed, and that didn't sound too good to me.
The bullet took the cat at about 50 yards, and it went straight up into the air when it was hit, twisted at the top of it's leap, and came down in a dead run, which was impressive to say the least.
And by the way, Vic did kill one with a .17 Ackley Hornet in a Contender Carbine; it was a reddish-colored cat, and he said that when it came running in from the side and he first caught a glimpse of it he assumed that it was a coyote, and when it broke into the open he just sort of naturally shot it before he had time to think about it much.
As usual, bullet placement trumps caliber and bullet weight and all that other stuff every time, but in fairness the .17 centerfires are probably light-for-game class when it comes to lions, although if you stick 'em right they'll pile up like anything else.
And finally, here in Arizona lions are notably hard on sheep; apparently lion predation has doomed more than one reintroduction effort, and I think that we have some Game Management Units that issue multiple tags in an effort to thin out the cats so that the sheep can get a foothold.
John-Henry
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