| BUTCHER45 |
| (Apostle of Humility) |
| Fri Jun 06 2008 06:31 PM |
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Re: 0.25 that CAN down Coyotes
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My name is JW and I am new to this forum. I have been reading some things on here about 909 0.45 and people wondering if a 0.25 will take out a coyote or not. I ran cattle for over 20 years. I have a Sumara 2500 carbine .25 cal, a daq 308, and a 909 .45, and assortment of real firearms. A friend of mine got me into airgunning and it I love it it has become a passion. For starters to something that I read on this forum. Someone was talking about a 909s for coyote hunting but it was for short range. All of my guns are stock, they have not been modified. The 909 .45 will do a 100 yards easy, you can click onto bigboreairguns.com and scroll down to Longrange Airgun Sihouette Shooter Organization and when you clock on to it, it will show the 909 .45 shooting over 100 yards. So I do not know what you mean by short range.
Hey JW,
You are telling me you killed 17 coyotes with the .25 airgun in one month? And you hit their brain everytime but twice? That would be pretty impressive for having the gun for one month.
It was me talking about the 909 being a short-range coyote calling gun. I'll try my best to explain why.
I am not talking about predation work where someone just wants to kill coyote by shooting it, whether it dies today, tomorrow, next week or next month from the wound. I'm talking about calling them in, and dropping the coyote as quick and clean as possible so as to do my best to recover the fur.
You spoke of the LASSO event (a controlled, metal silhouette shooting event) and said the 909 was being shot out to 100 yards. But they were not shooting at a coyote's vital area while it is running in for a meal covering several yards a second, they were shooting at stationary metal silhouette targets with larger "kill areas", that they took the time to range-find before shooting at. So the ability to compete in Lasso and the ability to cleanly kill a called coyote are two totally different things as far as I can tell.
With the flattest shooting stuff (roundball) the slug is dropping an inch every five yards out of my modified 909 which shoots much flatter than the stock 909s. Your 909s is stock? Sighted in at 50 yards you would have your slug dropping about 18 inches at 100yards, and dropping two more inches every 5 yards after that.
With that much hold-over at that range with a slow slug 100 yards seems like a stretch for a shot on a twitchy/charging coyote to me. You could be aiming for his head, and by the time the slug got out there it could hit his back foot at only 640 or so fps.
There were four of us airgunners at a recent hog hunt, that all agreed that 50 yards was the upper limit of what we would want to shoot big game at with our .45's (three of them 909's). It eliminates much of the margin of error, and helps ensure a quick kill. One of them has acheived MOA with his 909 yet still felt the same way. We all got one shot kills on our hogs, too.
I don't consider the .25 airgun to be fit for coyote because it would require a headshot for quick recoveries. I consider a suitable coyote calling airrifle to be one that will kill a coyote fast with a body shot.
Hey let me know if you ever want to part with your DAQ.308 I'll buy it!