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WYjason
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First legal wolves
      #1892670 - Tue Apr 01 2008 07:05 PM

By CHRIS MERRILL Star-Tribune environment reporter

LANDER -- At least three wolves were killed by Wyoming residents over the weekend, after the animal was removed from the federal endangered species list.

Large numbers of hunters reportedly prowled the state’s newly designated wolf predator area in Sublette County Friday, Saturday and Sunday, locals and outfitters said.

At least two wolves were killed near an elk feedground in the Pinedale area, according to the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. Another was killed, also in Sublette County, by a rancher, a local predator board member said.

The Star-Tribune received reports that a fourth wolf was possibly taken, also in Sublette County, but that kill has not yet been confirmed.

All three of the confirmed wolf kills happened in the Cowboy State’s newly designated predator zone for wolves, where the animals can be shot on sight without limits, as long as the time, location and sex of each kill is reported to the Game and Fish Department within 10 days.

Wolves were removed from protection under the federal Endangered Species Act on Friday, at which point the state of Wyoming took over management of the animals inside its borders.

Wolves in the state’s extreme northwest corner are now in the animal’s trophy game zone, and are still afforded some protection. Wolves in the rest of the state are considered predators, similar to coyotes.

Eric Keszler, spokesman for the Game and Fish Department, said the two wolf kills reported so far both happened Friday, about one to two miles west of the Jewett feedground outside of Pinedale. Both were gray-black, one male and one female.

One of the two near the feedground was wearing a tracking collar, said Scott Talbott, the Game and Fish official overseeing the state’s new wolf management program.

One rancher outside the trophy game zone killed a wolf Friday on his private property, said Cat Urbigkit, a member of the Sublette County Predator Board.

The rancher, who wanted to remain anonymous, was having problems with a wolf harassing his livestock, Urbigkit said. The predator board sent USDA Wildlife Services to assist the rancher, but he was able to kill the wolf on his own, she said.

Urbigkit, along with other locals, said there were a lot of hunters out over the weekend in Sublette County looking for wolves. Most of the 30 to 35 wolves outside the trophy game zone live in Sublette County.

“There has been a lot of excitement and interest for hunters in Sublette County,” Urbigkit said. “The predator board has nothing to do with that, but if the hunters are successful in their efforts, then hopefully the predator boards will not be called in on conflicts.”

The Sublette County Predator Board will not hunt wolves, she said, and will only respond when there is a conflict with livestock.

Terry Pollard, co-owner of Bald Mountain Outfitters, said he, too, knows many locals who went out wolf hunting over the weekend. He said most of them came back empty-handed.

“I think they’re finding just what we figured,” Pollard said. “These wolves are an extremely tough animal to hunt. There was a significant amount of hunters out this weekend, and very few of them were taken.”

The problem, however, is that many more wolves might have been killed and authorities don’t know about it yet, said Mike Leahy, the Rocky Mountain regional director of Washington, D.C.-based Defenders of Wildlife.

Because the predator area requirements allow people to wait 10 days before reporting wolf kills, the authorities who most need to know about the impact of the new wolf rules will be largely in the dark for days or even weeks, Leahy said.

“In a shoot-on-sight zone, a large number of the wolves could be killed before Wyoming Game and Fish or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service even knows about it,” Leahy said. “There could be big impacts to the wolf population that go underreported until it’s too late.”

Defenders of Wildlife is part of a coalition of 11 conservation groups that has notified the federal government about its intent to sue over the wolf delisting rule once the requisite 60-day waiting period is up at the end of April.

There are provisions built into the Endangered Species Act that theoretically allow citizens to seek an emergency injunction against a federal delisting decision, should sufficient need arise.

“It is too early to tell, but certainly if this number of wolves was killed in the first weekend, and this pace keeps up, we would certainly consider the emergency provisions,” Leahy said.


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WYjason
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Re: First legal wolves [Re: WYjason]
      #1892671 - Tue Apr 01 2008 07:21 PM

“It is too early to tell, but certainly if this number of wolves was killed in the first weekend, and this pace keeps up, we would certainly consider the emergency provisions,” Leahy said.

These guys really bug me with their mass extermination theories. The part of the state that has wolves listed as a predatory animal holds approximately 30 wolves. The vast majority of those 30 wolves if not all (that is a never ending debate in Wyoming with no evidence to support either arguement) are in less then 5-10% of the predatory animal area. That 5-10% is mostly rugged mountain and wilderness area and Indian Reservation. There will be no mass extermination of the wolves in Wyoming.

They seem to have forgotten that the original goals of the re-introduction was to have a viable population of 300. Now that we are seeing a population of over 5 times that goal they are predicting an extermination because the states want to manage the wolf populations.

I'm just upset that now I have to buy one more tag while elk hunting since it is in the trophy area of the state. My lion and bear tag were already stretching the pockets to capacity now I'll have to fork out another 50 bucks for a critter I'll only see when I don't have a tag.


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Re: First legal wolves [Re: WYjason]
      #1892673 - Tue Apr 01 2008 08:08 PM

50 bucks huh? Thats pretty pricey, although after paying your WY non-res elk tag fee it doesn't surprise me. I wonder if it's worth picking one up during elk season assuming its an over the counter tag.

The cougar population here is high and everybody local carries a tag but they are only like 10.50 thereabouts so it's not too bad. We have a half dozen or so wolves in the state now that "you guy's" exported - I'm not to happy about that.

Did you go out and hunt the open area? When they say *a lot* of hunters were out, what does that mean? I can imagine every swinging dick with a rifle was out looking I guess.


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Re: First legal wolves [Re: Ken (Catskin)]
      #1892675 - Tue Apr 01 2008 08:39 PM

I'm just guessing on the price of a wolf tag but I'm sure it will be somewhere around there. I didn't go out. There are very few if any wolves in my part of the state. I wouldn't even know where to go outside of the trophy area. I'm sure that there were quite a few hunters and knuckle heads out hoping to throw some lead at a wolf this weekend. I would think 5 or 6 more will be killed sometime in the next couple of weeks. But who knows.
I'm sure it will be an OTC tag but with a quota. So you'll have to call in every day to see if the mortality quota has been filled. I don't think it will be worth buying a wolf tag, just like buying a bear tag and lion tag isn't worth it for me. But it never fails that the years I haven't bought a tag I wished I had. I just feel like I have to hunt (substitute "buy a tag" for "hunt") every legal critter in my state that I can. I think it's a genetic defect.


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Re: First legal wolves [Re: WYjason]
      #1892686 - Wed Apr 02 2008 08:33 AM

Jason, You're not alone. I pick up whatever tags I can. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

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Re: First legal wolves [Re: Mark P]
      #1892697 - Wed Apr 02 2008 04:26 PM

Hey Mark,

Don't forget to renew your fat girl tag for this year. Member, It just costs a bucket

of the colonels chicken.

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Re: First legal wolves [Re: disco1946]
      #1892708 - Wed Apr 02 2008 11:45 PM

Well Idaho I believe was going to be around 13.50 a tag and then I just read this from their website. Needless to say if all goes as planned I know what I am doing this fall.

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/apps/releases/view.cfm?NewsID=4325


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Re: First legal wolves [Re: WYjason]
      #1892709 - Thu Apr 03 2008 04:50 AM

At a recent meeting with the Game and Fish I was told that resident wolf tags would be $15.00. I think non residents will be around $50.00.

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Re: First legal wolves [Re: Cal Taylor]
      #1892714 - Thu Apr 03 2008 08:28 PM

15 bucks sounds pretty good. I won't even complain about buying a tag if thats all it is.

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Re: First legal wolves [Re: WYjason]
      #1892752 - Mon Apr 07 2008 05:20 PM

We have way more wolves here in wis.than out west.They say we have 560 in the 139 packs they have collard.Problem is they have almost zero wolf packs with more than one collared wolf per pack.This proves they havent even begun to do enough trapping and collaring to get an accurate estimate of the wolf population.We have wolves everywhere.Our local game manager just admitted that after the pups are born this spring we will have 1500 wolves in wis.He says that the summer mortality will cut it back to the 600 range.My federal tpapper friends agree with me we have over 1500 now before the pups are born.Half of the wolves I got trailcam pictures of have mange.So far 2 of the collard wolves have died from mange.About 8 years ago they lost 20 collard wolves to mange.mange took out hundreds of wolves across minn. that year.I told our game manager that mange was an over population desease,to wich he agreed.Yet we are 5 years away from even a limmited permit season for wolves.Wolves are being shot on sight by more and more hunters.They found 9 shot by hunters in the 06 deer season.How many do you suppose they never found.We are run by a bunch of liberal greeny's.The wolves have al but wiped out the deer in the 6 square miles behind my house.Wolves SUCK.

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Re: First legal wolves [Re: Trapper John]
      #1892756 - Tue Apr 08 2008 09:02 AM

I just heard on the radio yesterday that they are looking at introducing sterilized wolves (I'm assuming they mean wolves that have been "fixed" versus being germ-free) into Wind Cave National Park here is South Dakota to control the elk overpopulation. They talked about having an elk hunting season to control the elk population, but nope, that's not how the National Park Service does things so instead of generating income and food for folks they are going to have to spend money to have fixed wolves come in and hunt elk. (Of course, these fixed wolves will only elk and nothing else and will not stray from the national park).

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