John in WYO
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Sep 11 2001
Posts: 22
Loc: Cheyenne, WY, USA
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Eveing gents. Kind of a two part questions for the unabashed kings of all things Airedale. My Purdy girl is 10 months old on the 23rd, 21" at the shoulder and 51 pounds. I picked her out when she was 7.5 weeks old and brought her home. She came from HK(High Kountry)Airedales in Powell, WY. She was one of a litter of 7 female/4 males.
She's turned out to be the smartest dang dog I've ever had (I'm 52 yoa). She's eager to please, learns very quickly, responds well to voice and hand commands. Heck, at 7 months she decided she was a cow dog. While processing 187 steers, 10 steers in she figured out on her own that when the trap on the left shoulder in the squeeze chute was closed after branding, that steer was coming out of the chute. She spent the rest of the day pushing steers into the pens and down alleys.
We recently bought a house on 8.5 acres and after a few nicks or tones from the SportDog 1800 training collar, she's become practically bulletproof on the property lines. She loves to dig after the ground squirrels on the property.
My question centers around when should I expect her to hit her first cycle? I'm not really interested in puppies at the moment. She's first and foremost at this point a family pet, but I plan to take her with me this fall after coyotes.
I'm hoping to find someone in the Cheyenne area that has an established coyote dog so she can see what she's supposed to do. I think two or three turns and she'd have it. If Dan C. is around the board, maybe he'd have some contacts...
Would someone please help me with this query? I don't want to get caught off guard. All my other dogs have been males...I ended up with an Airedale this time just because of you guys and 10 years of reading this board. It's been a great move.
Edited by John in WYO (Tue Jun 17 2008 07:55 PM)
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Moon Dog
Administrator / Grand Ayatollah
Reged: Sep 28 2000
Posts: 1422
Loc: Mc Neal, AZ
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Hi John,
My Claire came in at about 12 months old and has been very regular every six months since.
You can expect it from age 6 months on. Some soon some late but almost always by the time they are a year old.
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John in WYO
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Sep 11 2001
Posts: 22
Loc: Cheyenne, WY, USA
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Thanks. I was wondering if she's slow or what. Any pre-cycle behavior I should watch for when it start to come around, other than the full-blown obvious bleeding and every male dog in the country hanging around?
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Moon Dog
Administrator / Grand Ayatollah
Reged: Sep 28 2000
Posts: 1422
Loc: Mc Neal, AZ
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Pay close attention to when she first starts spotting. (Blood) If you confine her then it will be a few days before she becomes interesting and receptive to male dogs.
Confine her well past when the swelling goes down.
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disco1946
Mouse Dipper
Reged: Jul 01 2007
Posts: 674
Loc: Mesa, Arizona
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John,
If your bitch is as ugly as Mark P's girlfriend you ain't got a thing to worry about.
Dave 
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Friends don't let Friends shoot Rugers
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John in WYO
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Sep 11 2001
Posts: 22
Loc: Cheyenne, WY, USA
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Well, 5 days after her first birthday she's started bleeding. I've read that she can run 9 to 28 days to get through this "heat" cycle.
Have any of you hunted your dog during her cycle? The reason I ask is I was supposed to meet a guy that runs mountain curs this coming weekend to get her introduced to coyote calling.
Would her cycle interfere with his dogs (assuming we don't take a male, of course). I mean do other, non-heat, bitches react negatively to one in heat?
How about coyotes, any experience with how they react to a bitch in heat?
I guess the question I'm trying to ask is should she stay home or go hunting?
Thanks for posting your experiences in this first time matter for me.
John in WYO
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John-Henry
King Hell Dictator
Reged: Sep 25 2000
Posts: 4436
Loc: McNeal, AZ
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John:
You shouldn't have any trouble with your dog and other bitches; I'd hunt away if I were you.
As far as coyote response goes, a bitch coyote only comes into estrus once a year, and that's in the Spring, so any heightened interest shown by a male coyote would be "out of kilter," so to speak. Having said that, though, I've always assumed that a tolling dog in heat had an extra tool working for her, although I can't say that I've ever seen any massively improved reactions that I could point to as a single result of her being in a heat cycle.
John-Henry
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John in WYO
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Sep 11 2001
Posts: 22
Loc: Cheyenne, WY, USA
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Thanks John-Henry. I appreciate the reply. I'll try to get some pictures when we go... 
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Bob Mc
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Reged: Oct 05 2000
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Loc: Fort Jones, California, USA
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I’m sure no kind of a wildlife biologist, or had any training in that field, but I’ve heard from those who should know that a male coyote has a heat cycle just as the female does. Of course they have to occur at the same time, or there would be a lot fewer coyotes around. That is one explanation of why there aren’t more coy dogs. A male domestic dog is more or less in heat all the time, but a male coyote is only in heat a few weeks in a year. If that is so, I don’t see any particular reason why a domestic bitch in heat should be any special attractant to a male coyote other than normal territorial instinct.
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John-Henry
King Hell Dictator
Reged: Sep 25 2000
Posts: 4436
Loc: McNeal, AZ
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Bob:
I don't know if "in heat" is accurate, but male coyotes exhibit something that the biologists call "differential motility," which means that their sperm count rises in the Spring in response to the smell of female coyotes in heat. That's why they are only "fertile" at that time; the rest of the year their sperm count is too low to impregnate a bitch (dog or coyote) even if they do run across one in heat.
Sure wish that I would have had that problem; it would have saved a bunch of money that I spent paying for other things.
John-Henry
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John in WYO
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Sep 11 2001
Posts: 22
Loc: Cheyenne, WY, USA
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This cool weather up here has got my neck swelling. I think I might be going in to "pre-rut". I wonder if my sperm count is up as well ? 
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John in WYO
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Sep 11 2001
Posts: 22
Loc: Cheyenne, WY, USA
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and before any of you guys think to reply, NO, my dog is not looking attractive.....
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John-Henry
King Hell Dictator
Reged: Sep 25 2000
Posts: 4436
Loc: McNeal, AZ
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John:
Shame on you; your little girl ought to take a chunk out of your hide for saying that.
I have to confess that I could never overcome my conditioned reflex when it came to bestiality, but aside from that I found Micky more attractive than any girl I ever kept company with, for a whole host of reasons.
And, for that matter, Athena and Macha and The Morrigan and Mrs. Fucking Utz and Lucy....
John-Henry
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disco1946
Mouse Dipper
Reged: Jul 01 2007
Posts: 674
Loc: Mesa, Arizona
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John-Henry,
I hope the lovely Mz. Cheryl didn't read this post.
Dave
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John-Henry
King Hell Dictator
Reged: Sep 25 2000
Posts: 4436
Loc: McNeal, AZ
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Shucks:
I ain't scared of that woman; if you'd attended the wedding you'd know that the Right Reverend Moon Dog performed the ceremony, and it was the OLD ceremony, Son; the one that bound that woman nicely as chattel property in the eyes of God and Man.
Uncle Donald tells me that I need to be nice, and fulfill my obligations as ordained by Holy Writ, but I don't have to suffer any of the sass that ya'll go through with modern women; I'll whup her with a stick no bigger than my thumb if she gets out of line, and she knows it.
I've never seen a dog, horse, child, man or woman that couldn't benefit from a little correction from time to time, and as a profound believer in Skinnerian behaviorial psychology I'm quick to consequent, either positively or negatively; it just makes life a lot easier if you don't have to skulk around in fear all of the time 'cause you surrendered your balls when you got married.
John-Henry
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Cowboyvon
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Loc: Rincon NM
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heheheheh hahahahahahah 
Yeah right....
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disco1946
Mouse Dipper
Reged: Jul 01 2007
Posts: 674
Loc: Mesa, Arizona
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John-Henry,
I wear the pants in my family and I have my wifes permission to say that. She even told me I could go to the next Rondy if I stay away from that evil minded man who made all the disparaging remarks about womens. Meaning you. I'll be there but if I has to ignores you I hopes you'll unnerstant.
Dave
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Daryl
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Reged: Apr 17 2002
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Loc: Sierra Vista, Az
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Quote:
Shucks:
I ain't scared of that woman; if you'd attended the wedding you'd know that the Right Reverend Moon Dog performed the ceremony, and it was the OLD ceremony, Son; the one that bound that woman nicely as chattel property in the eyes of God and Man.
Uncle Donald tells me that I need to be nice, and fulfill my obligations as ordained by Holy Writ, but I don't have to suffer any of the sass that ya'll go through with modern women; I'll whup her with a stick no bigger than my thumb if she gets out of line, and she knows it.
I've never seen a dog, horse, child, man or woman that couldn't benefit from a little correction from time to time, and as a profound believer in Skinnerian behaviorial psychology I'm quick to consequent, either positively or negatively; it just makes life a lot easier if you don't have to skulk around in fear all of the time 'cause you surrendered your balls when you got married.
John-Henry
Yeah, OK amigo.
Now I'm just curious as to when you got so interested in ceremonies (new VS old), holy writ and such.
And you better obey Uncle Donald, or you're likely to surrender those things yet.
Daryl
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