JWFarms
Apostle of Humility
Reged: May 27 2008
Posts: 1
Loc: West Texas, Texas
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My name is JW and I am new to this forum. I have been reading some things on here about 909 0.45 and people wondering if a 0.25 will take out a coyote or not. I ran cattle for over 20 years. I have a Sumara 2500 carbine .25 cal, a daq 308, and a 909 .45, and assortment of real firearms. A friend of mine got me into airgunning and it I love it it has become a passion. For starters to something that I read on this forum. Someone was talking about a 909s for coyote hunting but it was for short range. All of my guns are stock, they have not been modified. The 909 .45 will do a 100 yards easy, you can click onto bigboreairguns.com and scroll down to Longrange Airgun Sihouette Shooter Organization and when you clock on to it, it will show the 909 .45 shooting over 100 yards. So I do not know what you mean by short range. I can take coyotes out at 75 yards easily with my 909 s, and I do. With that being said, I will get back to the .25cal. I have a Sumatra 2500 Carbine .25 cal and as I stated earlier I run cattle which means that I have alot of coyotes out on my ranch. I have talked with the guys at Airguns of Arizon and the man I spoke with named Kip, told me that he takes coyotes out with his .25 cal sumatra and it drops them dead. I purchased the Sumatra 2500 Carbine .25 cal and when I first got it I had to chrony it and find the sweet spot on it. My gun which is stock is right under full power, this is where I get the most out of it with out wasting air. I use Beeman Kodiak Match pellets, and the first day that I had this gun I was shooting this gun at 5 gallon buckets that had lids and were full of water. I started out at 50 yards then went to 75 yards and then I maxed out at 115 yards. Though the Sumatra will shoot over that it came up to its limit at 114 yards going thru the 5 gallon bucket of water and going thru the other end. I run this farm, naturally I have farm equipment, and I accedently thru out a bucket that had hydrolllic fluid in it for my equipment. When i shot the bucket, the Sumatra blew the back of it out. Point being hydrollic fluid is real thick and if a 0.25 cal can shoot thru the bucket and blow out the other side it is a devastating gun with alot of powe. Now I have a 350.00 scope mounted on my Sumatra and I use only Bushnell 3200 elite scopes. That might be the only advantage that I have over sombody. I have this scope on all of my air rifles. Back to th epoint at hand on this forum a guy was wondering about the .25 cal airrifles. I do not know about other brandsa but I do now that the Sumatra 2500 Carbine .25 cal will take coyotes all day long. I usually take them between 30 and 75 yards, the trick is to aim at the base of the ear and it will drop them dead in their tracks. I have shot them in the head and the chest, out of the 17 copyote kills with my sumatra I have had to do 2 follow up shots. I hope this helps anyones questions about the .25 cal pcp gun. Feel free to email me or ask Kip at airguns of Arizona if you hav e any questions. One thing that I love about the Sumatra is that I can take anything from a Praire Dog to a coyote. If I really want to get nasty then I pull out the DAQ for long range. I invite anybody that is in the West Texas Area or who will be traveling in the West Texas Area to come take all the coyotes that you wnat I have plenty. I have a Bushnell cam on my Sumatra and would be glad to email pic's or video of my coyote kills. I hope this helps people out that have questions about the .25 cal Sumatra 2500 Carbine. JW
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Daryl
Flying Missionary Positioner
Reged: Apr 17 2002
Posts: 1411
Loc: Sierra Vista, Az
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Well, now at least someone posted actual experiences with it. We're not air gunners around here for the most part.
In the other thread, I compared the bullet weight/velocity that was posted for the .25 airgun to a .22 LR.
Even on this site, I doubt many would argue the effectiveness of a .22 LR bullet in the base of the ear on a coyote.
The trouble comes in when trying to place that bullet on a called coyote. Most of us here aren't farmers, either, although I'm sure some have experience in that occupation. Shooting a coyote standing in a field off of a tractor would be a lot like shooting one off the door of a pickup truck. Good rest, and a stationary target make for pretty easy shooting.
Most of us on this site call coyotes to the gun using prey animal sounds, howling, and sometimes decoys.
Called coyotes are generally moving quickly, and are a little tricky to hit in the base of the ear every shot. Most of us shoot them in the chest, rather than in the head, and I still think that a .25 caliber pellet with the same velicity as a .22 LR isn't quite enough.
Sure it'll kill them; at least some times it will. It just isn't likely to have a high percentage of quick kills with chest shots.
If you aren't sure about what I'm saying, then come on out to Arizona for the next Rondy (next January). Trying to hit a coyote in the ear with a pellet gun, while said coyote is dodging through the mesquites is a feat the average shooter won't repeat often.
Feel free to try it if you want.
Daryl
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Mike Harter
Avenging Angel
Reged: Nov 05 2000
Posts: 2426
Loc: Fresno, CA, USA
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then come on out to Arizona for the next Rondy (next January)
I'd settle for seeing you at the next Rondy sport. If you've made an appearance the last three years, I must have been sleeping. I miss your smiling face. But marriage will do that to a man. 
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Walter
Druid
Reged: Jan 06 2006
Posts: 155
Loc: Texas north of Dallas
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I live on a small famly farm ,we have some cattle and a small field where we grow hay for the cows. What I have seen is that coyotes will let a tractor get pretty close to them, I have got to about 20 feet from them when mowing pasture and know if I was in a pickup thay would be gone as soon as I was seen.
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Daryl
Flying Missionary Positioner
Reged: Apr 17 2002
Posts: 1411
Loc: Sierra Vista, Az
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then come on out to Arizona for the next Rondy (next January)
I'd settle for seeing you at the next Rondy sport. If you've made an appearance the last three years, I must have been sleeping. I miss your smiling face. But marriage will do that to a man.
Well mi amigo, I was at the last one...sorta.
I only had a day, and met Mr Dawg at his place.
Even so, I do miss the good times, and it's not my wife that keeps me away. I only made it out calling about three times this last season, and she encourages me to go.
Just too many irons in the fire, and not sure which problem to rope next.
Life's been sorta rough here lately, trying to stay ahead of the rats.
Daryl
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Hilltop
Arch Deacon
Reged: Feb 06 2004
Posts: 702
Loc: East of the Pecos
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" I invite anybody that is in the West Texas Area or who will be traveling in the West Texas Area to come take all the coyotes that you wnat I have plenty. "
Are you extending that offer into this coming winter? As you probably know, Texas is about 98% privately owned and it gets damn hard to find new calling spots. My partner and I hunt near Pecos and are always looking for new calling locations.
Thanks, Dave.
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BUTCHER45
Apostle of Humility
Reged: Apr 23 2008
Posts: 12
Loc: Western Oregon
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My name is JW and I am new to this forum. I have been reading some things on here about 909 0.45 and people wondering if a 0.25 will take out a coyote or not. I ran cattle for over 20 years. I have a Sumara 2500 carbine .25 cal, a daq 308, and a 909 .45, and assortment of real firearms. A friend of mine got me into airgunning and it I love it it has become a passion. For starters to something that I read on this forum. Someone was talking about a 909s for coyote hunting but it was for short range. All of my guns are stock, they have not been modified. The 909 .45 will do a 100 yards easy, you can click onto bigboreairguns.com and scroll down to Longrange Airgun Sihouette Shooter Organization and when you clock on to it, it will show the 909 .45 shooting over 100 yards. So I do not know what you mean by short range.
Hey JW,
You are telling me you killed 17 coyotes with the .25 airgun in one month? And you hit their brain everytime but twice? That would be pretty impressive for having the gun for one month.
It was me talking about the 909 being a short-range coyote calling gun. I'll try my best to explain why.
I am not talking about predation work where someone just wants to kill coyote by shooting it, whether it dies today, tomorrow, next week or next month from the wound. I'm talking about calling them in, and dropping the coyote as quick and clean as possible so as to do my best to recover the fur.
You spoke of the LASSO event (a controlled, metal silhouette shooting event) and said the 909 was being shot out to 100 yards. But they were not shooting at a coyote's vital area while it is running in for a meal covering several yards a second, they were shooting at stationary metal silhouette targets with larger "kill areas", that they took the time to range-find before shooting at. So the ability to compete in Lasso and the ability to cleanly kill a called coyote are two totally different things as far as I can tell.
With the flattest shooting stuff (roundball) the slug is dropping an inch every five yards out of my modified 909 which shoots much flatter than the stock 909s. Your 909s is stock? Sighted in at 50 yards you would have your slug dropping about 18 inches at 100yards, and dropping two more inches every 5 yards after that.
With that much hold-over at that range with a slow slug 100 yards seems like a stretch for a shot on a twitchy/charging coyote to me. You could be aiming for his head, and by the time the slug got out there it could hit his back foot at only 640 or so fps.
There were four of us airgunners at a recent hog hunt, that all agreed that 50 yards was the upper limit of what we would want to shoot big game at with our .45's (three of them 909's). It eliminates much of the margin of error, and helps ensure a quick kill. One of them has acheived MOA with his 909 yet still felt the same way. We all got one shot kills on our hogs, too.
I don't consider the .25 airgun to be fit for coyote because it would require a headshot for quick recoveries. I consider a suitable coyote calling airrifle to be one that will kill a coyote fast with a body shot.
Hey let me know if you ever want to part with your DAQ.308 I'll buy it!
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